Monday, April 20, 2009

Gatsby Fishbowl: Chapter 7

If you feel that you have missed any vital clues in Chapter 7 and that you have clarification questions, feel free to address those before you delve into deeper analysis.

Enjoy! Challenge yourself to get into a hotseat today, especially if you haven't experienced the thrill of the hotseat yet.

86 comments:

Margaret_O'B said...

Is Daisy scared to leave Tom, or is actually still in love with him?

Allison M. said...

Maggie I think that Diasy is scared to leave Tom. Especially now that there will most likely be a lot of suspicion about Myrtle's death. I also think she is strill concerned for her daughter.

ErinH said...

I'm wondering about how Fitzgerald potrays women. I feel as if Fitzgerald potrays women almost as objects. For example Tom gets mad at Daisy for cheating with Gatsby, but Daisy doesn't find it hypricritcal that Tom has been cheating all the time. Why would Fitzgerald potray women in such a way?

Barry Tischler said...

Oh i think she has stopped lying to herself about her relationship with Tom. She seems to be on the verge of leaving him.

Whitney C said...

I agree with Allison! Daisey is scared to leave Tom. I think that she is scared because of reputation and her daighter.

ErinH said...

why did Daisy kill Myrtle? was it just based off of jeoulsy or was there more to it

Barry Tischler said...

Because thats how women were viewed in that period of history.

Ciara S. said...

Maggie i think that daisy want's to leave for gatsby because she is happier with gatsby but she is agraid to leave tom, especially now with all of the suspicion of myrtles death and i dont think she wants to be accused

Allison M. said...

I definitely agree Erin. It's almost dehumanizing how he writes about them in such a cashual way. Like, "oh and then Tom broke her noise." I definitely think he portrays them as object. I think it is because he has little trust for them.

Niki_Huck said...

Have Daisy and Tom reconciled there diffrences at the end of the chapter? Because it says on pg 145 "They weren't happy... but they weren't unhappy either"

Lynch G said...

do you think that there is a significance that Daisy mowed down murtle?

MattB said...

Erin, I think that Fitzgerald may just trying to make Tom seem like a bad guy. Throughout the book there has always been something wrong with Tom, hes been cheating on her and feels like its bad that she cheated on him. I just think that Fitzgerald is trying to build a bad mood towards Tom.

Margaret_O'B said...

How will Myrtle's death effect the society and Daisy's marriage?

PatrickD said...

Daisey is scared furcher!

Allison M. said...

Did Daisy run into Myrtle on purpose or was is just by accident?

Ciara S. said...

back in those times it was before women and rights and everything that we do now. So i dont think it was specifically meant to be that way, it was just what fitzgerald knew.

JordanR said...

In all honesty i think that Daisy hitting Myrtle was an accident, i think that it was just happened to be Myrtle. I agree with Steph when she says that she wouldn't have enough time to realize that it was Myrtle.

Niki_Huck said...

I think that Daisy may have known that it was Myrtle and that she wanted to kill her. This would explain the sudden mending between Tom and Daisy's relationship

Allison M. said...

Maggie, I'm not sure how it will effect society. It's not like any of the high class east eggers really care for Myrtle anyway. I definitely think that it will cause a lot more scandal, especially for Gatsby.

Whitney C said...

I think that Daisey was trying to act like running over myrtle was an accident but secretly she wanted to kill myrtle because of the whole thing with Tom.

ErinH said...

In the 1920's did people respect marriage? On pg. 130 Tom said "nowadays people begin by sneering at family life and family instutions". This almost sounds life today's society nowadays. For example the divorce rate is in the 50 percents and I feel as if we have forgotten how to communicate with our family

jenniferc said...

Is that why everyone stays married even though they are not happy, because they all know they can just cheat on eachother. And get away with it. I think they should all just get divorced.

JordanR said...

I think that Fitezgerald chose Daisy to kill Myrtle because through out the whole book he was somewhat showing her as the weak one, for example being with a man who beats her but doing nothing about it really. And i think this was Fitzgerald's way of showing Daisy's crazy side.

Barry Tischler said...

As far as I can tell, Daisy had no Idea WHO Tom was cheating with at all. It would appear to be Fitzgeralds way to introduce irony, and if daisy did it on purpose, it is kind of a sick joke that she hit her husband's mistress.

ErinH said...

How did Daisy know that it was Myrtle? Daisy never met Myrtle

JordanR said...

I don't really understand the sudden connection between Tom and Daisy. Tom has shown in numerous ways that he doesn't respect Daisy so i don't know how she could love a man who doesn't respect her. I thought that the only reason Daisy still with Tom was because of her daughter.

jenniferc said...

Why do you think Fitzgerald made the cars such vivid colors? What do you think they represent?

Niki_Huck said...

I think that heat tends to make things more intense. It makes people more easily irritated so this could be an effect of the heat

Margaret_O'B said...

I think that Myrtle's death is going to cause the society to further question Gatsby and what he does in order to gain all his money. Also, I think it is going to have a major effect on Daisy's marriage to Tom because of the guilt Daisy has as well as the fact that Tom was having an affair with Myrtle.

MattB said...

Do you think that Gatsby took the blame for hitting Myrtle because he wants to save Daisy?

Niki_Huck said...

Gatsby has become so obsessed with Daisy that he would take the fall for Daisy no matther what she did.

Allison M. said...

I find it hard to believe that Daisy would have any clue of what Myrtle looked like. Myrtle didn't even know what Daisy looked like. For all she knew, Jordan could have been Daisy when they were driving past the gas station. So I think it must have been an accident. Although that does seem a bit suspiscious.

JordanR said...

I think the reason that Gatsby was taking the blame for the accident was because he's trying to protect Daisy any way he can wether it's from hiding in the bushes to make sure Tom doesn't hurt her or if it's taking the fall for something she did.

Lynch G said...

How do you think Tom will react to the news of Murtle;s death?

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sarahm said...

I think Daisy had some suspicion about Myrtle becuase why else would she have not stopped the car? Right now, I feel like we can only assume the worst because it doesn't give a reason as to why she continues to drive and kill Myrtle. Agreeing with Steph, Who wouldn't stop the car? But to argue, even if you dislike a person, it is natural reaction to stop at something in the road, why didn't Daisy stop?

Whitney C said...

I agree with Barry. How does Daisy know that it was Myrtle? She never knew her or knew the name of the girl who Tom was cheating with on her?

Allison M. said...

Matt, I definitely think Gatsby wants to save Daisy from a bad reputation; he knows it all too well.

JordanR said...

I think that Fitzgerald made Gatsby's car so bright because he wanted to make him over the top. But relating this back to chapter 7 i think that is going to hurt back on Gatstby because that car is so vivid and obvious that people are going to know that Myrtly was hit in Gatsby's car.

Margaret_O'B said...

I wonder if Daisy and Myrtle ever met at one of Gatsby's parties?...

MattB said...

I think that Tom will be really upset about Myrtles death and I think that he will try to hurt Daisy and take it out on Gatsby too because he knew she was cheating on him.

Allison M. said...

Maggie, I don't think that Myrtle would have been invited to one of Gatsby's party...

KeriN said...

I agree with Jordan. I think that Daisy hitting Myrtle was just an accident. I don't think she ever really knew who Tom was having an affair with and I think it just happened to be coincidence that Myrtle was the one who ran out into the street when Daisy was driving by. I think its ironic how after Tom finds out that Daisy loves Gatsby, the person who he has been having an affair with is killed. Also, I was wondering why Tom even cared about Daisy loving Gatsby when he has been having an affair with Myrtle for so long. Jennifer, I think Fitzgerald chose the car to be such a vivd color, yellow, because it is a color that would stand out among other cars. If someone goes out searching for a yellow car it probably wont take long until they connect that Gatsby has a yellow car. Do you think Daisy will greave at all or just be in shock from the whole thing. Also, do you think Daisy will let Gatsby take the fall for this or do you think she will come clean?

PatrickD said...

Gatsby!

KeriN said...

Chapter Eight Blog

PatrickD said...

I think Gatsby is a steezy guy and i would chill that man. He is kinda crazy and wild, but still down to earth yanadamean? He's the steez knees.

Allison M. said...
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JordanR said...

The reason that Gatsby didn't want to leave Long Island was because he wanted to still be with Daisy and watch out for Daisy. I think he refuses to give up on her.

Niki_Huck said...

I really liked the simile that Eva made. How people can be so mean or make bad actions but you can still be attracted to there other personality traits. My other question is why is the book called The Great Gatsby if Nick the main character does not approve of the man?

carlys said...

On page 159 for non-gold band book, there is a paragragh that starts with "This was a forlorn hope...". This paragraph mentions the color blue a couple of times. Does this resemble anything?

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hilary l said...

I think Gatsby will not leave because he can't separate himself from Daisy. He can't move on from her. He may realize he will never have her but I think he has a confort being close to her. He can't let her go.

Barry Tischler said...

Gatsby is the guy you go to the clubs and parties with, but never introduce to your parents or your other friends because they'll never approve.

Allison M. said...

Yeah Niki, I agree. I don't understand the significance of the title. I don't think gatsby has proven himself to be great.

KeriN said...

Niki, I think the book is called The Great Gatsby because even though Nick may no approve of him, this story in his life had a lot to do with Gatsby. It's kind of like when even though something bad happens to you it sticks with you. I think he was considered Great because he tried to hard to get what he wanted and I think thats a quality trait to have.

meredith a. said...

Jordan I agree with you. Gatsby just can't let Daisy go so he doesn't want to leave. I find it kind of creepy that he is so obsessed with her.

Whitney C said...

Niki, I think that this book is called The Great Gastby because the main focus in this book is Gastby and his life/problems that he has been through and is currently facing. I know the whole great part is confusing but the great the Fitzgerlad probably intended is different than the great that we think of.

Allison M. said...

Hilary I agree. Gatsby can't leave Daisy. She's always been in his life in some way. In his imagination, even across the lake. He doesn't know how to cope with his life, without her there.

Niki_Huck said...

Maybe the facade that Gatsby has put up through out this whole book is what makes him great. Gatsby may not be a truely great man but he has fooled all those around him.

PatrickD said...

I think we are going to find out everything we need to know about Gatsby in chpt. 9 I don't fully understand the significance of the title and the picture on the cover. I have a feeling that all the explosion on the cover could corispond with the holocaust.

meredith a. said...

Allison, what you said makes sense. I don't see how Gatsby has made himself "great".

Margaret_O'B said...

I think that Nick really liked Gatsby in the beginning of the book, but throughout the book, he found out about the rumors and such about Gatsby. Seeing that Gatsby likes his cousin, Nick got overprotective and no longer found that he could trust Gatsby. Perhaps the fact that Gatsby is such a complex, mysterious character is what makes him so great.

Niki_Huck said...

Allison I agree. Gatsby has always imagined the perfect life that he could have with Daisy and know he is unsure of where his life will lead with the reality that this will never happen.

JordanR said...

i agree with patrick, i think that the signifigance of the cover of the book hasn't really been explained but i think it will be in chapter 9.

PatrickD said...

I agree Allison I feel like Daisy is in some ways a part of Gatsby's personality. Gatsby formed everything that he has for Daisy.

KeriN said...

I'm confused, did Gatsby die? And did Wilson die?

carlys said...

I think this book is called "The Great Gastby" not because Gatsby is so wonderful and someone that someone can look up to, but the fact that he is a big (great) part of this story. Every character has some involvement with Gatsby and casues a problem.

Allison M. said...

I completely agree with Eva that Fitzgerald associates himself with Daisy. If you think about it, Daisy is kind of always the victim. Daisy has issues with Tom, who has anger problems and cannot be honest with her, and Fitzgerald had similar issues with Zelda and other love affairs in his life.

Margaret_O'B said...

Do you think Gatsby will ever be able to move on from Daisy, or will he stay from afar watching over her for the rest of his life?

Barry Tischler said...

Who do you think is supposed to be the Hero of the story? we cant really tell yet.

Whitney C said...

Are there any heroes? Well i agree with Erin on that Gatsby is the possible hero. He may not be a complete hero like superman or spiderman, but he has gone through so much just to be with Daisy and everything that happened to him builds him up in the end. I do feel bad for him and i actually admire him for just trooping throung everything and not ever giving up.

KeriN said...

I agree with Mrs. Leclaire. I think that Gatsby is the tragic hero. I think how Gatsby works so hard for everything in his life is what makes him a hero. He wants his vision of his life so bad and works towards it for his whole life.

Allison M. said...

Keri, I think they both dies. My guess would be that Wilson killed Gatsby out of revenge, and then killed himself because he was so distraught over his wife's death.

hilary l said...

I think Nick is not very interested in Jordan anymore. He doesn't seem to care for her and they are not very much alike.

PatrickD said...

Barry, I don't think we really know the hero of the story but if there is one i am sure he/she will make an apperence in the final chapter.

Allison M. said...

Hilary, I agree. I've never really understood the romance between Nick and Jordan. It seems really insignificant, and they are definitely too different.

Niki_Huck said...

I am very intrested in what will happen to Daisy now that Gatsby could be dead. Will she be devistated or will she be non-chalant about it and not be effected?

PatrickD said...

If Gatsby is dead do you think that Nick will feel some kind anger in that it was his falt? What if Nick would have stayed with Gatsby? Will Nick hold himself responsable?

Allison M. said...

Niki, I honestly think she'll just resume her life with Tom. That's what she's done her whole life; forgotten about the pain and regret. Maybe she'll just resume her life as it was before.

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carlys said...

On page 160 it says that something made Michaelis turn away from the window. What do you think made him turn away from the window that Wilson and himself were staring out of?

Niki_Huck said...

I think that the billboard is a metaphore for the fact that there are always other people looking at you and people will always judge you and they will have to face the consquinces of everything they have done. Wether or not that is God or from the people around them

JordanR said...

i agree with what Allison said, i think that they both die and the Mr. Wilson killed Gatsby and then killed himself. I think Mr. Wilson killed himself more because of the lose of his wife rather than the fact that he killed Gatsby.

mallorym said...

I think Dr. Eckelberg represents God. Mr. Wilson even tells his wife that he may be fooled, but she can't fool god, while he is looking at the sign. Those eyes represet god, even in the valley of ashes.
I do not think Gatsby is a hero by any means. He has one, maybe two heroic qualitites, but he is a wierdo. He goes psycho and controlling when he feels he has a chance with Daisy. He changes his whole life to please her. He is involved in dirty work to get money. He is pathetic and you feel bad for him.

meredith a. said...

Niki, I honestly believe that Daisy will be devestated if Gatsby is dead. But like Allison said, she could just possibly go back to the way her loife was before Gatsby reentered it.

meredith a. said...

Niki, I honestly believe that Daisy will be devestated if Gatsby is dead. But like Allison said, she could just possibly go back to the way her loife was before Gatsby reentered it.